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Change your formation back to Attack and put Rei in the lead again. When you leave the cabin, you'll have to fight the Nue. Just use regular attacks and Teepo's magic, healing with Ryu's magic when necessary. If it poisons you, use Ryu's Purify spell to cure the poison. The Nue will run off after you do enough damage. Examine the Dragon God statue and you can save your game.

Then continue up the mountain. Skip the cave and ascend to the peak, where there is a bag with Vitamins. Note that "Vitamins" are different from the item "Vitamin" -- Vitamins are a Vitamin that affects the whole party.

Return to the cave and enter. Follow the trail of blood to a room with a river. At the end of the trail of blood, some dialogue will be triggered. Leave that room and Teepo will say that the Nue must have jumped in the water.

Explore the main room of the cave and search both skeletons for good items. Then go to the upper-left corner and enter the room there. Jump in the water and you'll automatically be taken down a waterfall into the Nue's lair. Walk forward. When you come up in front of the cave, the Nue will come out and you'll have to fight it again. On the first round, have Ryu cast his Protect spell assuming he has it on Rei.

Then use the same strategy you did before -- Ryu attack, Rei attack, and Teepo use his best spell preferably Simoon. Use Ryu's Heal magic to heal, and Purify to cure poison. Once Teepo runs out of AP, have him use regular attacks.

After you do enough damage, the Nue will unleash its powerful Jolt attack on all three characters, but it can only do this once. When the Nue is defeated for good, go up to its body and press X to enter the Nue's nest. Examine the dead Nue cubs, then go back to the waterfall room.

You'll be swept back down the mountain, where you'll run into Bunyan. Bunyan congratulates you on your victory, then you automatically return to the cabin. Teepo wants to go down to the village and see what the people think of them now that they beat the Nue. Leave the forest after checking out the cool springtime graphics. There's a whole lot of things available to do now, including fishing and getting your first Master.

First, go to McNeil. Upon arriving, you'll be cornered by townspeople After that sequence ends, talk to the guy in the cloak -- Loki. He'll ask you for your help; agree and he says to meet him at the house in the fields. Now take a look around town. Upgrade your equipment, then spend the rest of your money purchasing items and fishing gear. Go ahead and splurge -- just keep at least 1 zenny remaining.

You'll see why shortly. Leave McNeil and go northwest on the world map. In the lower-left corner of the woods is a small clearing. Walk up to and a? If you press Triangle to get the "Guide" option, you'll learn that the Yggdrasil tree has been cut down. Hit X to enter the clearing and talk to the wizard, Mygas. He's the game's first Master, and he'll let you be his apprentice if you pay him all your money.

Since you already spent almost all your money, say yes. You then obtain your first Master and can choose a character to apprentice to him. Choose Ryu. For more information on how Masters work, look under Masters in the Playing the Game section. Now go fishing! There's two spots where you can go fishing, one near the Yggdrasil clearing and one near the Farm. The game provides a pretty good fishing tutorial, or you can go to the Fishing section for more details on fishing. I recommend you try to catch some Rainbow Trout; they restore your AP and you don't have any other items that do that at this point.

When you're ready to progress in the game, go to the Farms south of McNeil. Talk to the people if you wish, then go to the house on the road. You'll meet up with Loki again here, and he'll explain his plan to overthrow Mayor McNeil.

You'll then wait until nighttime to invade McNeil's manor. At the manor, you can pop in the cabin where Loki is to rest. Head northwest to the patched up part of the wall and examine it. Rei and Teepo will come over, and Rei will accidentally break down the wall down. Go through to enter the hedge maze. Head southwest around the first hedge and talk to the guy there you'll have to rotate the camera to see him.

He'll give you 50 zenny. Then give that 50 zenny to the first guard to make him move. Go up the steps and talk to the guard up there. Head left and search the area to find the guard's wallet. Give to the guard and he'll move.

Descend the stairs. Do not step in the light from any of the guards' lanterns or you will be caught and kicked out of the manor if this happens, raise 50 zenny by fighting the monsters on the grounds and then go back in through the weak wall.

Instead, go southeast to the platform with the bell on it. Climb up the ladder and whack the bell with Ryu's sword.

One of the guards will leave. Go through the path he was guarding to reach the central plaza. The guard here the smoking one won't let you by unless you kill the guard dog and thus remove the blame from him.

Head south and you'll encounter the dog. The dog is not that difficult an opponent. First, have one of your characters it doesn't matter who select the Examine option. Then, when the Pooch uses its Snap attack, the character Examining will learn it, your first Skill for more info on Skills -- the manual does a poor job of explaining them -- see the Playing the Game section. Then attack the Pooch with weapons and Snap. After defeating it, go back up to the guard and he'll let you by.

In the east section of the hedge maze, go up the steps and follow the path around to get a Firecracker. Then go back down and talk to all the people if you hit one of the guards with Ryu's sword, you'll get some money.

After you've talken to Mina, go back and talk to the guard guarding the chicken coop. He'll run off. Go inside the chicken coop and Teepo will attempt to steal some eggs, triggering an attack by a giant chicken, Rocky. Like the last time, start by having Ryu Examine the chicken until you learn the Jump skill.

Meanwhile, Rei should attack and Teepo should cast Simoon. Once Ryu learns Jump, have him start attacking with that. Once Rocky goes down, the other chickens will go berserk and run out of the hen house. The guards will leave their posts to round them up.

Go back to the stairs that were being blocked by guard. Go up them and head right to the main doors of the manor. Rei will distract the guards while Ryu and Teepo run inside.

As soon as you get in, switch back to Normal formation. Go through the door on the right. Here you'll find a bed where you can rest and save your game. Also, on the desk in the corridor behind the bed is some zenny. Search the dressers by the stairs, then go up the stairs and search the cabinets for a Magic Shard, which permanently raises your max AP by 1.

Use it on Ryu. Then go up the stairs again and search all the crates for goodies. Return to the entrance room and try to go up the stairs. You'll encounter a boss. It will put you to sleep; just have the other character keep fighting as the sleeping one will wake up shortly.

After you defeat it, go back to the bed to get healed up. Ascend all the the stairs and head left. Search all the cabinets on the way to pick up some Gems. When you get to the upper-left room, you'll encounter another McNeil ghost.

This one is really easy; just hit him with Jump and Simoon and he'll go down in a few turns. After defeating him, go right into the next room. Search this room for a Panacea, then try to go down the stairs. A third ghost will appear and it's fight time.

This ghost will lower your stats with his magic, but just keep hitting him with the Jump and Simoon combo and you shouldn't have much trouble. Go down the stairs and follow the long pathway until you come to the fourth ghost.

This one can cast Flare and is pretty tough. Don't use magic on him, as it doesn't do a lot of damage. Stick to regular attacks and Jump. After you defeat him, you'll witness a spooky cutscene. Then go up the stairs behind you and search the room for a huge stash of zenny. Return to the room where you fought the ghost and go through the door he came through. Push the button on the wall next to the elevator to activate it.

Ride the elevator up and take the stairs up to a room with a bed and a diary. Rest, save your game, then continue up to the roof. Don't step on any of the moss or you'll slide down. Go left along the top of the roof as far as you can go. Then walk carefully down the roof onto the farthest-left ledge. Jump down from the edge of the ledge and pick up the grappling hook there.

After you get the grappling hook, Rei will return and use it to get to the other side of the roof. Now that you have Rei back, return to Attack formation and put the Reister in the lead. Go to the lower-left corner of the roof and pick up the bag for a Sparrow Eye.

Then climb back up to the top of the roof and look for the stairs leading down into the manor there's only one. This will take you to McNeil's room. Teepo will confront McNeil, but then the ghosts appear and merge into one huge and cool-looking boss.

Begin the battle by having Rei Pilfer from the ghost until you get a Magic Shard, while Ryu casts Protect on each member of the party. Magic attacks do little damage to the ghost, so attack with regular attacks and Jump.

The Amalgam can do a lot of damage, but it doesn't have that much HP. It disappears in a cool way after you defeat it.

Teepo will demand that the panicking McNeil show him the money. McNeil reluctantly hands it over, and you spend the rest of the night distributing it to the people of the village. Mayor McNeil, however, vows to get the last laugh. The next day, you're back in your cabin. You're already healed up, but be sure to save your game with the diary in the upper room.

Leave the woods and go to town. It becomes obvious that things didn't go as you planned -- everybody has returned the money to the mayor, and they're not too thrilled with the stunt you played.

Go to the farm and confront Loki. He'll tell you to meet him in the hut, so go there. Loki doesn't show, but Bunyan does.

Bunyan tells you that the whole plan was a scheme by Loki to steal the money for himself, and that you were being used. He also informs you that McNeil belongs to a large crime syndicate, and suggests you hurry back to your house.

Leave McNeil and go back to the Cedar Woods. Before you enter the screen with your house, de-equip Rei and Teepo and return any of their Skills to skill notes. Then go up to your house. The house has been burned down by McNeil's goons. Suddenly, two unicorn guys show up and you have to fight. You can't beat these guys, so don't even try. Just let them kill you. You'll wake up in Bunyan's house, alone. Go outside and talk to Bunyan. He believes that Rei and Teepo were killed by McNeil.

Ryu decides to go to Wyndia. Leave the woods. If you need supplies, stop by McNeil buying some Molotovs would be a good idea , then go to the Yggdrasil clearing and talk with Mygas. He should teach Ryu the Frost spell, which will come in handy. Then head south. You can now pass through the Yraall Road, so continue up to Mt. Myrneg to Wyndia. The only way to kill the Tarmen is with frost attacks, so hopefully you got the Frost spell from Mygas.

If not, just run away. As for the Nut Troops and Nut Mages, you can either use Molotovs on them or just use regular attacks. One hit will kill them either way, but attacks are a bit inaccuracte on them. Take out the Mages first; they can cast Flare. Explore the mountains and pick up any loot you find.

Make sure to get the Bat Amulet hidden in a chest on the right side; you need to rotate the camera to see it. Once you reach the top of the mountain, you'll encounter Balio and Sunder again. One of them runs you through with his sword, causing Ryu to turn into a dragon.

They capture you and take you to Wyndia Castle. At Wyndia, Balio and Sunder will present Ryu to the king, only to discover that he's turned back into a kid again I love this scene. All three of you get thrown in jail.

Princess Nina will come and let the two horse guys out, but then they beat her up and run off with Nina captive. Examine the door of your cell and ram it twice to get out. Stop in the horses' cell to grab the bag Skill Ink and save your game, then follow them down the stairs. You can't get into the other cell, which houses Jean the frog from BOF2. You'll have to fight Balio and Sunder again.

You can now finally use Ryu's Accession spell to turn into a dragon. You can now either just lose on purpose nothing bad happens, you just go on with the game , or actually try to beat Balio and Sunder.

If you try, first attack Nina to wake her up. When you run out of AP or HP, you will return to human form. Keep attacking and healing with items. If you manage to win, you'll get a Broad Sword and Asbestos Armor. If you lost, Nina will revive you after Balio and Sunder leave, and then she joins your party. If you won, Nina will still join, so the end result is the same you just don't get the items if you lose. Go down the stairs into the caves.

This is a pretty tough dungeon, because Nina starts off really wimpy and you only have two people. Don't use Nina's magic, it's not that effective except for Simoon, which is great on zombies, once you learn it. Go to each of the seven tombstone and press the words in green.

Then go to the tombstone on the ramp in the far left and press the number 7. You'll drop down into another cave. Open the chest for the Light Bangle.

Equip it on Nina, then follow the passageway to the ladder. Climb up and take the Glass Domino from the chest there strangely, it's a helmet, but a good one -- give it to Nina to boost her meager defense. Jump off the ledge, then head to the lower-right corner and examine the tombstone that doesn't have the color words on it.

Instead, you're giving a choice between three words in white. Choose "red", "climbing", "I", "is", "look", "beneath", and "this" these are the words in red on the other tombstones.

You'll drop down through a pit. Head southwest out of the tomb and into Lower Wyndia. Explore the town and loot the houses heh. Be sure to stay at the inn, especially if any of your characters were killed in the caves -- staying at the inn restores their max HP to the normal level. Upgrade your weapons, then buy any armor you can afford note that doing so will lower your speed, so don't bulk up too much.

If you need money, you can sell off Rei and Teepo's gear. There's also a clinic where you get temporary immunizations against various elements. These shots are pretty much useless; don't waste your money. Go to the lower-right corner of town and talk to the kids there. They'll want to play hide-and-seek, so you have to find them all. One is in the lower-right corner of town near where you start the game , two are the sides of the weapon shop, and one is behind a tree in the outdoors cafe.

You'll have to rotate the camera to see any of them. Once you've found all four kids, you'll automatically return to where you started the game, and the kids will give you a lead on where to find Teepo. Before you leave, head up to Upper Wyndia. There's not much to do here but check out the bread shops, although one of the shops has a Moxa hidden in a cabinet.

Leave Wyndia, but don't go down the road. Instead, head west and take the forest path up to the side of the castle. Leave this area and follow the path between the outer and inner city walls of Wyndia.

There's another? This one contains a small hut in which lives Durandal, another Master. Apprentice either character to him. Downstairs is a machine that you can't do anything with yet. Now go to the road south of Wyndia. Nina will suggest you go to the hut on the road. As you enter, you hear a scream from outside. Go back out. Balio and Sunder have shown up again and taken Nina captive.

They'll knock Ryu out again Ryu really takes it in the shorts in this game, doesn't he? After Balio and Sunder leave, Ryu will chew through the ropes holding you and you escape. You can now walk around town and look for all the characters from previous BOF games the Manillo look-alikes running the item shop, Bow and Sten from BOF2 arguing at the gate, Ox outside the arena, and Fahl looks like Rand. In the lower-left corner of town, there's a fish who will give you the Flyer you have to rotate the camera to see him.

Other than that, there's not much to do here besides buy items from the fish merchants. While you're camping, you can use the Skill Ink to transfer any Skills Rei or Teepo might have learned to one of your present members. Back on the world map, there's another fishing spot way to the west, should you feel like doing some fishing. Otherwise, your next goal is Mt. Boumore to the northeast.

Head up the mountain and collect the chest and bag on side paths you have to rotate the camera to see the bag. Now that you have Nina, you can easily defeat the Tar Men with her Frost spell. When you get to the top, don't talk to the two guys.

Instead, jump down the chute, and then make another jump down to a chest with a Buckler. Give it to Ryu. Now go back up to the guys and talk to them. The mason will offer to let you spend the night at the cabin. The next morning, you'll awake to find that you're locked in the room. As you'd expect, the mason has turned you over to Balio and Sunder. Take the rear exit to the lift and examine the control panel. Nina uses her magic to start the lift and you hop on just as Sunder arrives.

After the lift stops, you'll be on a different mountain. Leave the lift building and look around for another item bag. However, a sneak attack results in Nina being captured again, and Ryu surrenders for her sake. Balio and Sunder take their captives south to the Genmel arena, under the supervision of the barkeeper Fahl. However, Ryu and Nina manage to escape, thanks to Fahl's drunken state. Learning of their escape, the brothers sent their men after Ryu and Nina to the top of Mt.

After a few close calls, including where Ryu and Nina were tricked by the foreman working on the mountain, they escape. Since the two eluded their capture, Balio and Sunder set up a checkpoint on the bridge crossing to Western Wyndia, and organised a search.

However, with the help of a new friend, Momo , Ryu and Nina continued to elude their pursuers until Momo was deceived by the director of the Plant her father worked on, Dr.

Thanks to Pallet, Ryu and his new friends which now included a walking baby onion called Peco were once again captured and taken back to Genmel. Nina tricks the brothers into letting her and her friends compete in the upcoming Contest of Champions for their freedom. Balio thought of a money-making scheme concerning this team since Ryu was a dragon, their chances of winning was great, something that will tip the gambling of the Contest in the brothers' favor , and allowed them to compete.

However, as insurance, Balio had the bridge over Maekyss Gorge, the only route connecting South with West Wyndia, blockaded, and had one party member imprisoned either Momo or Peco , while the other three compete.

As predicted, Ryu and his team make it into the finals, allowing Balio and Sunder to rake in lots of money. Sunder asks what will happen if Ryu and his team indeed wins the Contest, however Balio assures his brother that "their" champion, Garr , Ryu's next opponent, will never lose.

Garr indeed defeats Ryu in the finals, and becomes the Champion of Champions again implied to have held the title for a long time. Sign up for free! What do you need help on? Cancel X. Topic Archived. Sign Up for free or Log In if you already have an account to be able to post messages, change how messages are displayed, and view media in posts.

User Info: LandinoVanDisel. User Info: Rhyten. Eww, it's cOLD there. User Info: LBoksha. Why people made such a fuss over this is beyond me. Because people are talking about the first encounter. Nobody ever said that the second encounter can't be sort of won. You try to run away. But there's no escape! The enemy tries to run away. User Info: danzibr. Yeah, it's really not hard to beat them. List results:. Most relevant first Newest first Oldest first.

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